You're in the wrong bit of space, go to highsec, there's nothing to fear from cloakers there.

Imagine if you lived in a wormhole where not only are there cloakers everywhere, but you don't even know they're there. Somehow people manage to go about their day, being careful, and doing their best to not get ganked. I can't imagine how much easier it would be if local flashed everytime someone entered your wormhole, and gave you all the info you needed to know to figure out how large of a threat they were.

Perhaps the real solution to afk cloakers is to do what everyone tells high sec people to do, and fleet up. That one lone guy in a cloaking ship is hardly likely to attack you and your friends ratting, as he'd have no chance.

Afk cloakers isnt a problem, the fear of one is It's a viable source of intel, and a good way of interupting income. HTFU, ccp will never change it.

They won't wether they are afk or not.

the only time they will come to the fight is when they think the situation is in their favour, that is the big advantage of cloaking why do you think they would give that away?

the whole Idea of a cloak is to avoid people.

AFK cloackers never hurt anyone.

If you know it's a cyno bait, counter drop.

If you know it's a solo cloak ganker, bait him, kill it, pod it !! -put it in your watch list and follow him, bait him again, kill it and pod it again, make it get sick of whatever he's doing, give him a lesson.

Stop crying on forums about AFK cloakers please, if they are afk they can't harm you.

and what are you baiting with?


Most NON-afk cloak scouts and cynos tend to either get good at spotting bait, or develop mild paranoia. And the funny thing about paranoia...sometimes people are actually out to get you and you aren't imagining it lol.


If your uber bait ship happens to be a drone boat....kind of a no crapper they aren't taking it. Its a pita to solo them not gimping your fit with a cloak. I hate drone boats in web fit gun boats, replace guns with those awesome frigate killers known as torps and for some reason that hate doesn't turn to love lol.

Or is it draaaake? Take your pick, tanky as hell or a known top 10 bait ship in eve. And not even worth the aggravation of calliing in a cyno crew or carrier imo. Its a bc...they didn't fly in over 2 billion isk in ninjya ships with blop(s) to kill a damn bc.

Are you and your buddies making it obvious? They see a dictor about an hour ago head to system X and leave local (a good assumption he jumped out can be made). then another combaty ship with no real pve use follows. Now here you are heading to system x in a pimp pirate ratter and apparently jumping out too. That cloaky may be betting that dictor and hell...recon like rapier is chilling on the other side of that outbound. I'd say he is betting wisely.

If it's safer just move there and stop complaining. It's a player run content game, just play the dam game instead of playing with Barbies and Canes.

There is a counter....local. It tells you when the cloaking ship first gets in system. With plenty of time to get safe, if you are paying attention. Local will tell you he is there for as long as he is there and when he leaves. You have very good information.

And the counter to local is....cloaking in system to mess with minds of people like you.

Move over a system. Rat with a few buddies and fit points and gear your tanks more for PvP if possible.

And if you have a cloaked scout one system out, and with the way local works, and as long as you are paying attention the above will never happen.

So, there is no counter to you ratting with very little (and as long as you are paying attention, no, as in none) risk. To counter this: AFK cloaking.

And really, whatever you think you might have to say in regards to a solution...it has been written before....again and again and again.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2762387#post2762387

And, it should be noted you offer no solution. Nothing. Nada. Zip. Zilch. A big juicy nothing burger.

Posting just to whine is sad

look at this way op....


your alliance in the past to claim some space sent in cloakies.

They never killed a single ship. Thye just bm'd like fiends to get good landing spots and to get intel. You know system x has 4 pos', 3 amarr 1 caldari. The caldari is a super parking pos....all that happy horse crap. And when done said, aww hell lets see who is scared of the big bad buzzard with no cyno on it for lolz.

you alliance then used this information to hit those systems and take them much easier than if your fearless leader said lets hit system X jsut out of the blue. Avoided a whole discussion that could have gone like this:

"Whats there boss?"
Hell if I know, we are jsut gonna hot drop 800 people with no plan, no intel, and see what happens. I mean what are the chances there won't be least 1 pos to shoot up, right?
"oookay, this will turn out well...."

Welcome to cloaking....its a dual edge sword. The same tool that got you alot of your systems is the same tool others can and will use against you.

This thread is pointless. It's just going over the same tired, old and know arguments again. It will die and change nothing.

An inactivity timer will not work.

Fuel is a nerf to cloaking. But cloaking is balanced and doesn't need a nerf.

Yes you could remove names from local, but there is far more involved than that. CCP have wanted to change local for years, they cannot see a way to do this.

Having cloaked ships show on the scanner, breaks the covert intel gathering aspect of the Covert Ops. It also is pointless against those AFK, but gives you more intel on top of the already powerful local intel tool.

The better solution would be to deal with it, just how almost everyone else does already.

The problem is the ones thinking there is a problem.

The solution to your "problem" is very simple: Never assume anyone is afk and treat all "hostiles" as potential threats or live with the consequences.

Truth is, even if the person is cloaked and afk, what tells you it's not just someone patiently waiting in front of his screen for an opportunity to strike? If people can stare at their screen for hours while they mine asteroids, I'm sure some don't mind staring at it waiting for someone to think you're afk...

I dont believe theres a problem with players being afk while cloaked as I have operated in someone elses SOV before using a cloaky blap pest and honestly once you kill a few things the probes come out and you have to stay cloaked for a bit, I usually go afk and make a cup of tea while waiting it out.

I would however like some sort of blops sub hunting module/technique, this increases the versatility of the blops while still maintaining a fairly intensive skill train, if however this was ever incorporated into the game I would feel blops ships should be able to fit covert cloaks. (as well as some proper thought in the matter, maybe even making it something a tech 3 battleship fitted with a certain subsystem could do)

waiting 10 jumps behind ur frontlines for a fight will likely end with u sitting around doing nothing. if u want to play with other ppl actually playing, u could roam into hostile space with a few buddies. u'd soon find players who are actually playing, or they'd find u.

So then your problem isn't with someone being an "afk cloaker" your problem is with someone who is logged into EVE not doing what you want - not actively moving about, or engaging, or whatever. The same kind of complaint applies to people who are just sitting safely in their pos shield, or people docked in their outpost. I mean I get it, I don't like it when I'm roaming null or wormholes and I can see people just sitting in a tower or station doing nothing, it's disappointing when I'm looking for a fight, but... I don't see an issue.

I can't make them do what I want, and it's stupid to ask CCP to make them do what I want.

FFS...

These have all been proposed before...some aren't half bad (i.e. changing local), but do we really need yet another thread to re-hash these ideas?

Instead take a few seconds and look at the existing threads...namely the one where I collected many of the common suggstions.

Stop shitting up the forums with the repeated nonsense.

Oh, and get a clue, this issue has been talked about since 2007. Nothing has been done...nothing is likely to be done.